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Ayn Rand - The Morality of Altruism
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Ayn Rand makes the case that altruism is evil. www.LibertyPen.com

Related: welfare, sacrifice, sacrificial, lamb, economics, religion, truth, individual, liberty, conservative, libertarian, communism, individualism, help, giving, interest, others, society, socialism, suicide, happiness, love, values, virtue, selfish, selfishness, serve, moral, duty, demand, choice, cannibalism, kindness, judgment, selfless, state, dictatorship, tyranny, crusade, collectivism, irrational, reason

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That's? better.
By: Abignalessuccessor. on 24 May 12, 19:40:13
That's? better.

You're right, if ...
By: eilam42. on 18 May 12, 10:34:05
You're right, if Ayn Rand wants to speak against altruism she can't say it's evil. What she can do is? say it's stupid.

@wagnar totally ...
By: BTSjames. on 17 May 12, 00:02:06
@wagnar totally agree?

NB: when making a ...
By: BTSjames. on 16 May 12, 23:59:42
NB: when making a topical video, make note to spell? the title correctly

Absolutely. She was ...
By: Dave McKagan. on 16 May 12, 23:20:43
Absolutely. She was also right up there with Scarlett Johanson in the beauty? stakes

Next to Aristotle, ...
By: TimeWarp66. on 16 May 12, 04:50:42
Next to Aristotle, she was. ?

Haha coming from ...
By: Dave McKagan. on 16 May 12, 02:04:27
Haha coming from someone who no doubt? thinks Rand was the greatest philosopher in the history of the world

face/palm Do you? ...
By: TimeWarp66. on 15 May 12, 19:13:36
face/palm Do you? have to take classes to be this stupid, or does it just come naturally?

She? took out more ...
By: Dave McKagan. on 13 May 12, 22:32:41
She? took out more than she put in. Therefore she is a hypocrite.

Their is no such ...
By: TimeWarp66. on 12 May 12, 22:37:57
Their is no such thing as 'society". Their are only individuals. Altruism is the? means? to the end of man.

Social security/ ...
By: TimeWarp66. on 12 May 12, 22:35:07
Social security/medicare are designed as "earned? benefits". You only get them if you've worked your whole life. Welfare recipients did not contribute to their welfare payments. The bottom line is while she worked her entire life, money was stolen. You'd be a fool not to take YOUR money back from the thief.

Wow, I'm not sure ...
By: Solverwiz. on 12 May 12, 16:21:28
Wow, I'm not sure you saw the same youtube video as me. Where does Rand say anything about what one must do? When I watched, she only used the word "must" when she? mentioned what most religions advocate.

Because it is not ...
By: Solverwiz. on 12 May 12, 15:59:37
Because it is not just about what you value. Let's say you value giving your friends money. After you have given them all you can, you find that you don't make enough to give them what? you want to give them. So you rob people you don't know because you firmly believe that others need to sacrifice for your greater good. Now extend this "morality" to many groups and you can see one thing she might be talking about.

I'm atheist and I ...
By: wagnar. on 12 May 12, 14:30:31
I'm atheist and I consider Ayn Rand totally stupid and dogmatic. From the moment she starts ranting about what someone MUST DO she becomes the same as priests... If someone wants to live for others isn't inmoral or evil. It's your own choice if you put an african boy well being above your own family... not Ayn Rand's opinion. That's bullshit and It's just a free? path to justify uncontrolled capitalism. Someone could value society as whole above himself or his family.

Despite all the ...
By: Dave McKagan. on 12 May 12, 06:31:33
Despite all the autobiographies written in the last 30 years the welfare payment issue has only been made public quite recently, so of course there was an attempt to cover it up. And there is nothing rational about vilifying welfare recipients your whole life? then collecting welfare yourself.

When does a person ...
By: Moontouchofficial. on 12 May 12, 05:34:30
When does a person ever do a moral act that they? do not value? What would Ayn Rand possibly be even ranting against then?

As long as that is ...
By: Solverwiz. on 12 May 12, 01:35:26
As long as that is what you value? doing, it is your time and you earned the money, I see no problem with that.

Christians are also ...
By: Majlerin. on 11 May 12, 09:19:30
Christians are also "altruist" in that sense, where's the political side to that? Every society is "good for the group". A truly "egotistical" political stance, is complete anarchy and no? other. But if you want to compare the URSS, yes it had less income inequality than the US.

Oh sure. ...
By: Moontouchofficial. on 11 May 12, 04:21:30
Oh sure. Volunteering at the local animal shelter or donating millions of dollars to a food relief organization for Africa saving millions of people you have never met must be a sign of tyranny.?

Altruism is ...
By: colecionar. on 11 May 12, 04:19:27
Altruism is biologically impossible,? anyway. We're talking about different kinds of selfishness.

That could be ...
By: TimeWarp66. on 11 May 12, 03:32:23
That could be because you're? an idiot.

Altruism is not ...
By: TimeWarp66. on 11 May 12, 03:29:22
Altruism is not kindness or benevolence. That's the big lie that suckers people into their own demise.?

Evolution of Altruism
Posted by: DonExodus2

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How altruism evolved, kin selection, etc.

Related: evolution, of, morality, kin, selection, altruism, intelligent, design, creationism, beldings, squirrels, richard, dawkins, darwin, religion, bible, evil, sin, creotard

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excellent video. ...
By: razorwar11. on 01 May 12, 00:53:37
excellent video. should have more? views.

Big? mean godless ...
By: jouninronin. on 20 Apr 12, 05:34:10
Big? mean godless hawk,lmaoo

I'm in an ...
By: IceFire9yt. on 31 Mar 12, 18:18:45
I'm in an evoltionary biology class, and our teacher showed us this video when we covered kin selection. I felt so proud that I had already seen it and was subscribed to the channel!?

"God gave us a ...
By: Daruqe. on 04 Jan 12, 04:11:16
"God gave us a brain reaction" How do you know??

I don't approve of ...
By: Hoobifta. on 02 Jan 12, 13:26:35
I don't approve of squirrels and altruism, it's disgusting and evil I fucking hate reality, I wish I could kill the air and wake up on another planet, and people suffer and they expect autistic people to suffer selflessly like them. Well I hate altruism, and squirrels should be eaten, and I should kick it in the arse. People are suffering and? autistic people refuse it because of this ridiculous evil world screw you evil planet I wish reality will be what I feel like!!!!

im sorry...Is ...
By: Theozzie11. on 31 Dec 11, 19:41:35
im sorry...Is atheism addressed to a? group of people, publicly proclaimed or taught???

No. preach/pr?CH/ ...
By: dontbeafoolok. on 31 Dec 11, 08:31:01
No. preach/pr?CH/ Verb: 1.? Deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church: "he preached to a large congregation" 2. Publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief)

is Atheism? ...
By: Theozzie11. on 19 Dec 11, 06:01:07
is Atheism? preached??

Thx dude! Very ...
By: aYuniqueness. on 04 Dec 11, 01:33:56
Thx dude! Very helpful?

Try it, try and do ...
By: koda215. on 25 Nov 11, 12:56:05
Try it, try and do something nice only to receive reward there will be no feel good factor reward for you because there is no deceiving god. You have to selflessly put the good of another person or animal before yourself and then you will be? rewarded. If you don't believe me try it as a test do something nice knowing first you will be rewarded, you will never receive a reward. Then do it for the good of the person not yourself and you will be rewarded its how god repays us!!!

Altruism exists and ...
By: koda215. on 25 Nov 11, 12:53:40
Altruism exists and god gave it us. God gave us a brain reaction/feel good benefit factor every time we do something for someone else. So Altruism becomes its own reward if we put others first before our own needs we will? be rewarded with a nice feeling as a reward from god. We don't just do something nice to receive that feeling because its impossible you only receive the nice feeling if you go out of your way to genuinely put someone else first over yourself with no hidden agenda!!!

the what squirrel??
By: MISSMEGGYBOOBOO. on 11 Oct 11, 12:24:16
the what squirrel??

is there? really ...
By: shodanxx. on 28 Aug 11, 04:12:59
is there? really accuracy in the numbers given for Hamilton's Rule ? I mean have these hypothetical numbers been actually statistically verified by observation of the behavior ?

you are? trippin ...
By: movadoband. on 25 Jun 11, 05:36:07
you are? trippin dude.

Absurd to call this ...
By: john42t. on 22 Jun 11, 03:54:38
Absurd to call this altruism. As if anyone who says "don't? be so selfish" means this to be restricted to kin.

If someone could ...
By: Tank94Mage. on 18 May 11, 02:27:46
If someone could make this clear to me it would? be helpfull i am trying to understand atheist morality better. Altruism to me doesn't answer the main question, which is WHY and HOW did animal groups make laws that? are made for the better good? Is it only for means of survival? In this case wouldn't it be true that we should kill off the really old who do not benifit society? as well as killing the serverly disabled? Why not kill them in this case? But this is why i am asking please email me.

I challenge you, in ...
By: MrIntelligentdesign. on 17 May 11, 13:52:27
I challenge you, in the name of scientific inquiry, Don Exodus to show us your dividing line between natural and intelligent. YOU are just making? a blanketed explanation of that topic: DIRTSDIDIT. That relationship cannot be made by purely natural processes. You had to dig deeper than that.

i hypothesize our ...
By: ThoseGamerguyz. on 01 May 11, 20:18:30
i hypothesize our altruism like most social mammals comes? from mother.

are? you sure that ...
By: andresvdl90. on 25 Apr 11, 19:19:13
are? you sure that the squirrels that cry out are killed more often? Monkeys exhibit similar behavior, but it's seen that the ones that cry out are usually avoided by eagles because it's basically letting the eagle know that it has seen it. And eagles usually rely on surprise to catch their prey.

to the fact that he ...
By: thommyisahunk. on 31 Mar 11, 23:38:49
to the fact that he just told a room full of people about it and thus he had just benefitted! Whilst the majority? of the room would have been focused on the fact that this man just proved the speakers theory, the natural reaction would have been to think positively about the man and thus his status would have improved. In both humans and other animals, status is very important. So whether they are gaining food or status, they are gaining none the less and thus altruism cannot exist.

Its not an ...
By: thommyisahunk. on 31 Mar 11, 23:35:48
Its not an immediate benefits but it doesn't have to be immediate to be a benefit. Thats exactly the point, like other scientists, i do not believe altruism actually exists. A lecturer of mine was talking about a seminar recently, where the speaker was talking about how? altruism does not exist. Then all of a sudden an attendee stood up and said that it wasn't true and it did exist as he recently donated a lot of money to charity anonymously. The speaker then responded by alerting him

@thommyisahunk ...
By: ygfi. on 28 Mar 11, 11:17:49
@thommyisahunk Altruism: behavior by an animal that may be to its disadvantage but that benefits others of its kind, as a warning cry that reveals the location of the caller to a predator. i don't see how giving up food is of immediate benefit to individuals. if you want to constrict your definitions to exclude anything which can benefit the participant,? then you'll find no such example exists; hence why we use a definition which is actually useful.

recieving food. I ...
By: thommyisahunk. on 23 Mar 11, 15:19:36
recieving food. I cannot understand how you cannot see that you just disproved altruism by what you? wrote!

Although i am not ...
By: thommyisahunk. on 23 Mar 11, 15:18:51
Although i am not really familiar with the example, i am going on the information that you provided. Its still not altruism, as the deffininition of altruism is that you are helping a stranger? in some way at cost to yourself and gain NO benefit, whether it is immediate or further down the line, and they ARE gaining a benefit! They aren't particularly good hunters, so food is shared amoungst the group. They are giving food up when they feed on that day and on another day they are.....

What is altruism?
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Big questions project: What is altruism?

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The Price of Altruism
Posted by: theRSAorg

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Academic and author Oren Harman reveals the extraordinary discoveries of George Price -- the eccentric genius who strove to understand evolution's greatest riddle: altruism.

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1- It's not so much ...
By: WitlessSod. on 03 Jan 12, 15:11:52
1- It's not so much the anti-social ape-man developing caring so much as those who were caring to begin with being rewarded 2- Genetic selfishness is measured in terms of survival and, most importantly, reproductive success. Human selfishness is measured by motives. 3- I'm? not sure that I understand your question regarding where I draw the line.

Yes. If they want ...
By: KennyReddwooddforest. on 08 Dec 11, 04:00:50
Yes. If they want to use this strict determination of altruism in terms of altruism based on biological necessity meaning selfishness. Like you, I also prefer not to call it selfishness. The mother has an inbuilt need to protect her child, biological altruism, some have more some have less of it, it has to do with the brain formation,? but this need to protect the baby, called mother instinct, when it's huge, sees no boundaries between species. At least that's how I work.

One serious problem ...
By: jnevins64. on 08 Dec 11, 03:14:07
One serious problem I have with this guy's claims is that it assumes free will, which has no scientific bases -? the question of whether, or under what circumstances we exercise altruism might is most definitely a question of biology, psychology and physics. Currently the indication is that we are mainly deterministic with possibly some probabilistic elements - which completely overrules overcoming the three named elements.

Think your right - ...
By: jnevins64. on 08 Dec 11, 03:03:31
Think your right - but its not a catch 22 - the thing you have to remember is that actions? is taken with intent only - so his intention was to prove it. From an objective point of view it might be altruism - but subjectively it was not. It is not altruism if the intent is altruism.

Look at that ...
By: SnorlaxSquad. on 03 Oct 11, 07:23:33
Look at that asshole texting in the back row. He shouldn't be there if he doesn't even care enough? to listen.

what can clear ...
By: JpassTheTime. on 01 Oct 11, 00:42:39
what can clear things up is to distinguish the effects of one's actions as being intentional or accidental. If one's means are altruistic for the ends of being selfless-then one is truly selfless, despite self gain. but If one's means are altruistic for the ends of being selfish-then one is not selfless. it all depends if the means are altruistic or self centered. if the person does not seek reciprocation, although he ACCIDENTALLY received, it? does't make him selfish

so this compassion/ ...
By: dopplerking91. on 28 Sep 11, 18:20:08
so this compassion/altruism, whatnot...this developed? as means for self-preservation? the anti-social ape-man developed caring and selflessness as a way to better survive within a social network?...you say human selfishness is different from genetic selfishness...ok how so? where do you draw the line differentiating our genes evolving and our psychology evolving stirctly from the evolutionary and survival of the fittest standpoint?

Academics muddy the ...
By: malexandrec. on 28 Sep 11, 17:21:51
Academics muddy the waters with language and then? propose to possibly, maybe, perhaps clear with adequate research funding the deliberately muddied waters -- with language. Blah blah blah.

Depends from? what ...
By: WitlessSod. on 28 Sep 11, 00:55:09
Depends from? what perspective. It is entirely possible for the individual to act in a manner that is genuinely altruistic. Genes have no more motives than does a bottle of bleach: motives imply intent. What is called genetic selfishness is what helps the propagation of a given gene. I guess what I'm saying is that human selfishness and genetic selfishness are not the same thing. What is selfish from a human standpoint could be altruistic from a genetic standpoint and vice-versa.

so your saying that ...
By: dopplerking91. on 27 Sep 11, 23:11:22
so your saying that altruism developed? out of a selfish motive then? hm interesting...

Seconds after this? ...
By: ratje67. on 24 Sep 11, 19:19:41
Seconds after this? talk I found myself watching swimming monkey videos

The two archenemies ...
By: Tressco. on 24 Sep 11, 05:01:51
The two archenemies of altruism: 1) money addiction (single most effective dopamine trigger!!) [Olds J, Milner P. (1954). "Positive reinforcement produced by electrical stimulation of septal area and other regions of rat brain". J Comp Physiol Psychol 47 (6): 41927.] 2) un(der)-diagnosed, tolerated? and in Western Civilizations hugely honored antisocial personality disorder (ICD-10 / 3-6% male pop.), which destroys reciprocal altruism.

Well if the gene ...
By: ScorpiaX. on 22 Sep 11, 16:41:59
Well if the gene lead to an increasing chance of survival due to social cohesion and thus further increase the likelihood? of such gene getting passed on then, yes. However, depending on what environment and the amount of resources available, such genes might or might not have been favoured. In all respects, you have to ask who is it that you want to help and why? Why is one with less resources more favoured for resource sharing, etc? Benefit for who? In the long run? How?

Well if the gene ...
By: ScorpiaX. on 22 Sep 11, 16:41:55
Well if the gene lead to an increasing chance of survival due to social cohesion and thus further increase the likelihood of such gene getting passed on then, yes. However, depending on what environment and the amount of resources available, such genes might or might not have been favoured. In all respects, you have to ask who is it that you want to help and why? Why is one with less resources more favoured for resource sharing, etc? Benefit for who? In the long? run? How?

I "agree? to ...
By: AndyAce83. on 22 Sep 11, 15:16:31
I "agree? to disagree" because to reply to your latest post would be to repeat my first one :-)

aha, 'duty alone'! ...
By: neurocrater. on 22 Sep 11, 14:43:09
aha, 'duty alone'! indeed, you accomplish some daunting/altruistic task so that (a) you don't feel guilty for not having done it and (b) you feel satisfied for having completed it. the alternative would be, 'oh no, i should...' or 'man, i would feel so much better for him/her/it/me if ...'. the meaning of 'selfish' is quite deep and blurs many once-clear boundaries. and that is exactly what Dawkins, Rand, Pinker and Harman here and? many many others are talking about :)

Have you given ...
By: AndyAce83. on 22 Sep 11, 13:07:21
Have you given money to a drug addict at any time? Got that warm fuzzy feeling then? Or visited your Alzheimer grandmother who do not recognize you anymore and may even be scared of you? Ever done anything out of duty alone, and not believed that a good feeling or a reward would be given? Was that because of genes? I think my point stands. People who want to sell "the selfish gene" wants to justify a political and ideological ethic about "survival of? the fittest" (like Rand).

my 'reward' for ...
By: neurocrater. on 22 Sep 11, 12:52:17
my 'reward' for being altruistic is the warm, fuzzy, happy,? glowing feeling i get from it. it feels good to be good. what's your reason?

Oddly enough, if ...
By: kellyvtec. on 22 Sep 11, 07:51:14
Oddly enough, if you just put together the beginning and the end, your result is this: those who are selfless are crazy.... I understand that is not the point of this idea. ? but.. in this case, it seems to ring true.

Here's a paradox; ...
By: LuiKang043. on 21 Sep 11, 11:17:19
Here's a paradox; could there be a selfish? selflessness gene? :S

we should throw out ...
By: vijaymd44. on 20 Sep 11, 21:09:28
we should throw out all theories? from the god era and start over again... I think we have enough time

I always say; "Not? ...
By: AndyAce83. on 20 Sep 11, 10:58:43
I always say; "Not? everything everyone do is for selfish reasons, it´s just everything you do." Meaning people who need to explain human kindness as selfish really just needs to justify why they won´t help others without a clear reward at the end. I also think it´s far fetched when people analyze a kind act in third or forth paragraph. "Oh, you may not get a reward now, but you think it will help you in three years when [something unlikely] happens"

no homosexuality ...
By: Agnotio. on 17 Sep 11, 08:47:48
no homosexuality isn't a purely acquired trait, a number of studies have found a heritable component to it. This is one theory that I favor to explain the apparent paradox: "Brendan Zietsch of the Queensland Institute of Medical Research proposes that men? exhibiting female traits become more attractive to females and are thus more likely to mate, provided the genes involved do not drive them to complete rejection of heterosexuality".

Altruism Live @ Mystic Respect Festival 2011
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Altruism - Numbers

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Hayek on Moral Values & Altruism
Posted by: Malthus0

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Friedrich Hayek discusses the three sources of moral values, and the role of altruism in an extended society. More on this subject can be found in the epilogue to 'Law Legislation & Liberty'(vol3) and in 'The Fatal Conceit'. Both of which are available free by clicking the link below. sites.google.com This is an excerpt from a longer interview which can be found here www.vimeo.com

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I'm actually not, ...
By: XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX. on 15 May 12, 15:17:17
I'm actually not, this is the basis capitalism, you create a buisness for profit, but in the meantime you actually? have to hire people and create things people like to make a profit, it's a wonderful system yet it's so natural.

Well put! Of course ...
By: bruceduece1. on 15 May 12, 08:59:04
Well put! Of course, I'm assuming you're being? facetious.

Once again I agree ...
By: bruceduece1. on 27 Apr 12, 20:30:19
Once again I agree with you. The problem is that the Hayek model has been used as a pretext for social Darwinism. I find it troubling that the same reactionary ideas, discredited by the Great? Depression and WWII, are finding new life. The "new" fascism attempts to justify its ruthless vision by citing from context thinkers such as Hayek. While alive, he didn't do much to stop it, though. While his writings contain much truth, they are not an economic bible.

''altruism occurs ...
By: Malthus0. on 27 Apr 12, 16:59:21
''altruism occurs without conscience or consciousness in Hayek's? model'' He was talking about instinct. He is quite aware that the people have? to exercise will to do altruistic acts. He is making the point that altruism, solidarity, love fellow feeling can never replace markets & several(as in many different different people) property as the economic ordering mechanism of society but only work with & through that mechanism.

''human creation'' ...
By: Malthus0. on 27 Apr 12, 16:49:16
''human creation'' Of course humans 'create' markets but that does not mean that they are created like when you build a bridge or launch a satellite. No one sat down & draws up plans & organises? them. It is an ordered pattern without conscious ordering. If that were not the case they would not be markets but something else. You will have to explain what you mean by 'capital' (it has many meanings) & why it supposedly has the status of religion.

Agreed. That's ...
By: bruceduece1. on 27 Apr 12, 16:04:19
Agreed. That's where I differ from Hayek. I think that markets are a human creation and therefore the rules of economics are not fixed. Smith's ":invisible hand" makes it appear as though supernatural forces are at work in the market, as if God himself is the inventor of capital. That? raises capital to the status of a religion. All religions are human inventions. Also, altruism occurs without conscience or consciousness in Hayek's model. I believe free will has a place..

''morality? follows ...
By: Malthus0. on 27 Apr 12, 13:16:32
''morality? follows self interest'' No Hayek thinks morality develops from group competition.'law is as immutable' economic law does not change,? but institutions do. ''markets are a human invention'' He is saying markets are NOT a human invention i.e. human designed.But rather are the result of human action. ''capable of adaptation & change'' Yes markets adapt to changes in rules & circumstance. ''happenstance'' Progress evolves so is not consciously controllable or foreseeable but is not random

Hayek's idea that ...
By: bruceduece1. on 27 Apr 12, 10:36:55
Hayek's idea that morality follows self interest is nothing new. His legacy lies in his assertion that morality? is adapted as a mechanism for economic order. However, his view that economic law is as immutable as physics ignores the fact that markets are a human invention, and as such, capable of adaptation and change.The dark side of Hayek lurks in his contention that human progress through the markets is happenstance. If true, his model is seriously flawed.

he has a hitler? ...
By: doubledubdiggins. on 23 Feb 12, 17:27:14
he has a hitler? mustache

According to ...
By: PrivateAckbar. on 06 Feb 12, 21:42:50
According to natural law you have the right to do anything it is within your power to do. To a classical liberal the only caveat you make? to this is the non-aggression principal, and that principal provides the pacifism most consistent with prosperity. Free market capitalism isn't designed the way we try to design socialism. We create Adam Smith's invisible hand through our free actions not by assuming the right to force.

"by persuing profit ...
By: 999qoou. on 26 Jan 12, 04:29:12
"by persuing profit, we? are being as altruistic as we can be" woooord!

Why be altruistic ...
By: XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX. on 15 Jan 12, 22:33:48
Why be altruistic for the sake of satisfying that innate desire to be so when you can serve the interests of others more? efficiently by looking out for yours?

@Questfortruth86 ...
By: CloverfieldMonster95. on 06 Dec 11, 23:30:38
@Questfortruth86 How would that still retain to be true Altruism? True Altruism is expecting nothing? in return. Right?

Non-intellectual ...
By: Myndir. on 15 Nov 11, 12:19:26
Non-intellectual moral traditions are not invented. They are evolved. That is Hayek's key point. He makes a big point about fighting natural tendencies. A key thesis of Hayek is that civilisation requires that we fight against our natural instincts, which was why he? didn't like Freudians. Our instincts are partial and inconsistent, whereas an advanced civilisation needs rules that are impartial and consistent.

Wow, and to think i ...
By: Alias828. on 05 Oct 11, 04:24:33
Wow, and to think i had a good thought when i remembered to? brush my teeth this morning.

''Hayak? is not ...
By: Malthus0. on 18 Aug 11, 17:16:46
''Hayak? is not talking about morality but about market mechanisms'' I don't understand what you mean. Hayek is talking about his theory of group selection, where? competition between social groups leads to the evolution of moral values. This process is not a market process.

@Malthus0: Hayak is ...
By: MortenDanPedersen. on 18 Aug 11, 01:09:03
@Malthus0: Hayak is not talking about morality but about market mechanisms. Any market will automaticly follow these tendancies. It´s like? the law of gravity.

Example: I make ...
By: god0fgod. on 04 Aug 11, 22:21:38
Example: I make iPhone apps. I haven't got a clue who most of the people are who download them. The advertisers? who use iAd through my apps and others, I don't know who all of them are. All I know is that a few of the apps make me money so I must be providing value to certain people.

3:27 clasic grin ...
By: jccusell. on 19 Jul 11, 18:59:55
3:27 clasic grin about socialism caring for the? weak. 90+ years old lol

I reap what I? sow ...
By: adulby. on 24 Jun 11, 02:54:04
I reap what I? sow and you will not reap my sowing without my permission.

That is correct, I ...
By: Malthus0. on 30 Apr 11, 23:21:33
That is correct, I did not intend? to signal otherwise.

I think he clearly ...
By: BrutusAlbion. on 30 Apr 11, 16:48:22
I think he clearly said that the 2nd level of morals were traditions, the 3rd level are the intellectual imaginations and ideals we thrust upon? the world such as marx.

''and that man ...
By: Malthus0. on 30 Apr 11, 10:55:00
''and that man should follow his natural path instead of trying to fight his innate tendencies'' No Hayek is saying that we should NOT follow our innate or 'natural' tendencies. ''he forgets that these moral traditions are invented'' No he does not. He is fully aware of the 'inventors' of? morality from Moses to Marx. Who assumed that what felt natural was right. He is saying that culture is neither natural nor artificial. It is the third intermediate source of human values.

Hayek talk's as if ...
By: BrutusAlbion. on 30 Apr 11, 02:38:33
Hayek talk's as if free market capitalism is invented by nature as a moral tradition and that man should follow his natural path instead of trying to fight his innate tendencies. There he forgets that these moral traditions are invented just as well by intellectuals as any other form of sociëty. Falsely assuming that your theories are right about the? values men hold is not the firmest base to support your theories on human societal planning.

Here it is your " ...
By: mrwombator. on 02 Apr 11, 11:25:09
Here it is your "capitalism" in USA: tinyurl? com/3mxdro3

$Ep. 12 \"Altruism\"$

Ep. 12 "Altruism"
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Also? fuck that ...
By: snyggsnigeln. on 16 Mar 12, 21:44:17
Also? fuck that jesus amirite?

Holy fuck rot in ...
By: snyggsnigeln. on 16 Mar 12, 21:40:34
Holy fuck rot in hell ann?

corrections: "gypsy ...
By: CzechAvailabilitie. on 16 Mar 12, 19:55:18
corrections: "gypsy" is a racial? slur. Hippies live in vans and communes. Nerds live in basements. The Nazis studied the occult because they were traditionalist cunts.

i also love ayn ...
By: YOSPOSBITCH. on 16 Mar 12, 19:30:04
i also love ayn rand because? i am a sociopathic child who literally thinks that selfishness is the highest thing to which one can subscribe

Beautiful speech, I ...
By: Arielslopa. on 24 Feb 12, 19:48:02
Beautiful speech, I hate the idiotic debates that are? going down here though -.-

lol yea ok.. good ...
By: iTROLL9000. on 31 Dec 11, 15:58:06
lol yea ok.. good luck with that.. smoke sum? more dope..

and there is a ...
By: iTROLL9000. on 31 Dec 11, 15:56:51
and there is a certain science to "astrology". not the kind advertised by gypsies or basement dwelling hippy, or a mongrel in a cave or personalities seen on tv etc. some of the nazi's were studying the "occult", which is more of a science than it? is a religion.

lol. yes it makes ...
By: iTROLL9000. on 31 Dec 11, 15:49:15
lol. yes it makes me feel better. "they say he was into mysticism".. who is "they"? most of the literature and "history" written of hitler is largely propaganda. if he would have won the war, he would be written of in a positive light. and also hitler would have won had america not interfered. the commies (russia, america and the brits) vs germany. germany was vastly outnumbered by the? parasites.

@iTROLL9000 If ...
By: Adeikov. on 31 Dec 11, 14:23:19
@iTROLL9000 If laissez faire capital comes about, then to ward of plutocratic elitism, I will build sustable communes as protection against greed and exploitation, I will build a system of syndicates between the communes;? and capitalism will die. I know how to kill capitalism.

@iTROLL9000 Hilter? ...
By: Adeikov. on 31 Dec 11, 14:11:38
@iTROLL9000 Hilter? was into mysticism, they say. Some of his war strategy, which battles to pick, was based on astrology.

@iTROLL9000 It ...
By: Adeikov. on 31 Dec 11, 14:04:43
@iTROLL9000 It make? you feel better to think I am stupid: cognitive dissonance.

and yes, hitler ...
By: iTROLL9000. on 31 Dec 11, 11:32:30
and yes, hitler talked to his soldiers? of "altruism", although it translates different than your meaning of altruism. he was addressing the soldiers, not civilians. join americas army and u will see an even worse form of altruism, and with low intelligence monkeys grunting orders to more intelligent lower ranking white men. military law is different from civilian law. if it wasnt we would have mercenaries, free market profit driven soldiers, like blackwater spec ops and body guards.

hitler's main ideal ...
By: iTROLL9000. on 31 Dec 11, 11:30:13
hitler's main ideal was to? finally restore free market for a white society (whites (some) are the only ones smart enough to even comprehend what "john galt" is). henry ford, kennedy, general patton, prince edward, etc.. ALL supported what hitler was doing, the only ones that opposed him were the commies.

and i think it was ...
By: iTROLL9000. on 31 Dec 11, 11:27:52
and i think it was pretty stupid to include clips of hitler in your videos, as he was the only leader that opposed communism in the world. maybe u should do some research outside of what u learned in college, or from the mainstream media. in a few short years hitler raised germany up from having worthless currency, to being the worlds greatest power (it took russia, usa, and the brits, etc) to ruin? germany.

lol, bum fights. ...
By: iTROLL9000. on 31 Dec 11, 11:25:22
lol, bum fights. hahaha he's drinkin a 40 of piss. i have those? dvds

shut up retard. ...
By: iTROLL9000. on 31 Dec 11, 11:24:58
shut up retard. please go? starve and die

Galt, you are the? ...
By: Adeikov. on 21 Dec 11, 21:56:09
Galt, you are the? undeserving, non-contributor, non-solution to poverty. Your worth is based on how you improve humanity and NOT JUST yourself. You are seriously delusional. If it's good only to you, what value can it be for others, why do you deserve the place awarded to you by the builders of civilisation? Poverty is a malfunction in those that have the power: the abandonment of a problem that gets worse & worse; the degeneracy of the poor is institutionalised into them. We don't need you!!!

So altuism is ...
By: zazack79. on 02 Nov 11, 12:53:08
So altuism is anyone that has surrendered mind and lifes purpose to someone else? More or less a follower? Illogical and irrational natural behvior? Giving? up basic instict? A bee killing it self for the queen?

Unless the rich man ...
By: TheDano1947. on 04 Sep 11, 14:06:45
Unless the rich man is Job or David or Solomon oh? and mooching off of two women is OK too.

@andrewclunn, you ...
By: MrOperettalover. on 26 Aug 11, 16:49:49
@andrewclunn, you have now waited for two months to receive a meaningful answer, but you did not get it. You are now allowed to come to the conclusion that his "false dichotomy" and "straw man" is just a hijack of the reasonable men's vocabulary, but without the? slightest insight of the meaning. We can also solve this by searching for any other possible solution. Can one be anything else but con, pro (which includes in difference) to self-sacrifice? No, that is logically impossible. QED.

So what you're ...
By: andrewclunn. on 15 Jun 11, 23:35:49
So what you're saying is that if you already know that a morality based on altruism is? BS, then this isn't needed? That's fine, but I fail to see how it's a straw man. There are certainly people out there who hold the views being criticized and the criticisms are valid.

It's like one long ...
By: jeremydchristensen. on 29 May 11, 20:09:28
It's like one long running straw man and false dichotomy. It may good a rebuff to the western Christian? guilt involved in charity, but once a person has questioned these principals and come to another conclusion than what Rand arrives at, it becomes patently obvious she is speaking to an imagined audience with a single personality.

If you aren't ...
By: RemBot2000. on 22 May 11, 21:24:40
If you aren't capable of? speaking confidently in your own words? you should not have replied.

Paul wrote BEFORE ...
By: allmanjoy. on 21 May 11, 17:04:54
Paul wrote BEFORE the Gospels.? Think again.

Prove? a real ...
By: Ddvex. on 21 May 11, 15:32:30
Prove? a real Christian (4) CONCLUSION: A real Christian obeys Jesus commandment of preaching the Good News of the Kingdom of God !!!!

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"prove morality ...
By: joel230182. on 25 May 12, 04:57:44
"prove morality rationally". How cute, how optimistic. Obsolete Modernist. ?

Rands concept of ...
By: urdisturbing. on 20 May 12, 02:43:25
Rands concept of freedom is demented. If a person must work long hours for little pay with no health insurance or safety regulations or else their family will starve, they are essentially a slave. This was normal for the working class before unions and Labour regulations. This is why democracy is essential for the wellbeing of humanity. Rand says making someone pay? taxes is the same thing as enslaving them. I find this mind-bogglingly stupid.

I dont think anyone ...
By: Ligeti43. on 20 May 12, 01:37:44
I dont think anyone wouldn't applaud you for what you've done. You're missing what Rand meant. What she was concerned with was being FORCED to give up things for others and not having a choice (welfare state). Other interviews (Donahue) she made? clear that doing things like you did is fine if makes you happy and is your value, then it is not a sacrifice of you to others. You did that because you CHOSE to. It was "your value", so it is not a sacrifice. She would NOT have a problem with it.

If you've never ...
By: urdisturbing. on 19 May 12, 15:14:19
If you've never experienced unconditional love,? you haven't really lived. It is the most elevated ideal I have ever encountered. I am a Spinozan. I know we are living in a deterministic universe, so the world couldn't possibly be more perfect. An attitude of universal love is most appropriate for the simple reason that love is superior to fear (I take this to be axiomatic.) Try reading something by an actual philosopher sometime. They'll blow your mind.

I have helped build ...
By: urdisturbing. on 19 May 12, 15:03:41
I have helped build a feeding station for orphans in Zimbabwe, and seen first hand the difference that altruism makes. According to Rand, this makes me? a rotter. Call me anything you want, I'm not going to apologize for saving lives. Can you tell me the difference between egotistical ethics and ethical Nihilism? If there is a difference, I can't for the life of me figure it out.

Lets make you put ...
By: H1TMANactual. on 19 May 12, 13:59:09
Lets make you put your money where your mouth is. Sell your computer. Send the money to starving kids in Africa. It will feed hundreds. You shouldnt have anything besides what you need to survive. Forget trolling youtube, you should be working more to feed even more people. But I am? going to guess youre full of shit and like a typical liberal want to take someone else's money, never your own.

some people are ...
By: maloso305. on 17 May 12, 04:25:16
some people are basically just selfish and others are empathic the problem is that deep down the selfish people are tired of feeling? bad about it and become "objectivist", just like "greed is good" now "selfish sociopaths are good" too., It? would not be a stretch to find this "people" killing and torturing animals and people.

I like to think of ...
By: urdisturbing. on 15 May 12, 03:34:41
I like to think of myself as a Christian Athiest. My moral premise is the Golden Rule: measure others by the same standard that you measure yourself. Do you know how I measure myself? I love myself unconditionally. Therefore, I am obliged to love others unconditionally as well. According to Rand, this makes me a parasite. She advocated supreme selfishness and extreme greed. She repeatedly condemned Christian morality. She is the American? Antichrist.

I consider myself ...
By: Pointingtothereality. on 14 May 12, 02:16:16
I consider myself socialist, came into this wanting to leave with weapons to combat Objectivism. What I came out with was a genuine admiration for Ayn Rand, someone who is quite a? genius. She held her ground in that interview, absolutely knew what she was talking about and came off much better for it. I still disagree with her on the basis that I don't particularly consider the individual sacred and feel that altruism is very much a free expression which has not been institutionalised.

Yeah but Chelsea ...
By: lienosus. on 12 May 12, 13:27:58
Yeah but Chelsea still deserved the win -? Liverpool woke up way too late!

I think Ayn's view ...
By: michaelwriting1. on 11 May 12, 20:54:30
I think Ayn's view has some merit worth thinking about. I'm thinking that my decisions for? love must come from within, of my own volition or character (or that of the spirit of God working through me). Not of me being compelled or obligated to love others. However, in the last half she goes a bit too far and adds some other weirdness into the equation.

OH AYN RAND YOU? ...
By: natritious1. on 08 May 12, 18:41:13
OH AYN RAND YOU? CHANGED MY MIND

Our view of the ...
By: void19361. on 08 May 12, 17:18:43
Our view of the world depends on the theory/model. "Tree" is a name for a model. Even if you are blind you will still perceive it,? you will just have a different model. I recommend you reading Stephen Hawking about the relationship between theory and reality and model-dependent realism.

No, you cannot ...
By: void19361. on 08 May 12, 17:09:25
No, you cannot disprove almost everything. But? you can doubt, for instance, whether or not the laws of nature will stay the same tomorrow. This is called empiricist skepticism and it is related to the problem of induction. I strongly recommend you to read the wiki article about the problem of induction before discussing validity of science and its limitations.

Our perception of ...
By: void19361. on 08 May 12, 16:31:51
Our perception of reality depends entirely on the model. Models of physical world are mathematical. Godel's theorem basically proves that some statements in mathematics can not be proved. Ergo, there will never be a complete theory of everything, i.e. we will never get past certain limitations. That's what I meant by saying that? "reason is not all-powerful".

...And Im not ...
By: SageAndOnions. on 08 May 12, 09:38:21
...And Im not against science. I think science is very useful and has improved the lives of many. Im simply suggesting that we need to make a distinction between reality, and what can be called 'human reality', because they are not the same. The danger in thinking that they? are is that you close the door to reality and limit yourself with simple beliefs. We need to realise our limitations before we can think of ways to truely get past them. If we ignore them, then this is very unscientific

..yes, Im not ...
By: SageAndOnions. on 08 May 12, 09:32:43
..yes, Im not disputing the obvious fact that an objective reality of some sort exists, Im just saying? that we can never fully percieve it as our starting point is only a small fragment of the actual truth, and you cannot see the whole picture on the jigsaw by looking at one piece of the puzzle (through beer goggles as well). I could say a whole bunch of things that could disprove, or atleast cast doubt on, almost everything and anything, so yes our reasoning skill are very far from all-powerful

Science relys on ...
By: SageAndOnions. on 08 May 12, 09:26:53
Science relys on our senses still though as it is still the senses which read the data, and it is our logic which interprets it. Furthermore, our? senses limit us from the very point of when we start to come up with any scientific theory as we cannot imagine that which we are not able to interpret, limiting our science from the get-go. Our imperfect perception is simply extended through science, it doesnt enhance anything. Im not familiar with Kant's view on morality...cont

You are still ...
By: SageAndOnions. on 08 May 12, 09:17:17
You are still experiece the tree with other senses such as touch though, even if you are blind. Also, there is no way, or any reason, for you to say that the tree does indeed exist if you are blind, and therefore cant see it at a distance, before you walk into it...yes, reason is the only tool we have but human reason is very flawed indeed. It is one thing to define logic (in its perfect form, something we may aspire to achieve) but? its another to actual reach this point of perfect logic

sorry for my ...
By: NightRadio1. on 07 May 12, 23:10:18
sorry for my english. Yes, i know what your talking about. Its the same thing ive heard since 1967 when i doscovered objectivism. (i was aristotelian before discovering it) What you say doesnt make reality non objective. you maybe be blind, and your brain wont get visual information about the tree in front of you, but that doesnt mean that tree doesnt exists. Reality is independent to your brain. Abjectivists try to get that reality as well as posible, and our only tool? is reason.

Exactly!?
By: jordanaug81. on 07 May 12, 21:17:30
Exactly!?

Ayn Rands ...
By: jordanaug81. on 07 May 12, 21:16:36
Ayn Rands philosophy actually coincides with the theories of John Nash that each of? us should do what is best for us instead of others with obvious exceptions in regard to family and friends. Sounds selfish but this does make sense.

(continue) Moreover ...
By: void19361. on 06 May 12, 15:10:38
(continue) Moreover, altruism also means treating the king or the? emperor better than you treat yourself. The truth is, altruistic sentiment is abused by some to gain power over many others. In a society based on rational selfishness there can be no dictator or king, for nobody would desire that. Finally, isn't happiness selfish? You advise self-sacrifice for others' happiness to get happiness for yourself in return. This resembles Christmas gift exchange, where no party gains anything.

People are ...
By: void19361. on 06 May 12, 14:51:22
People are different but most of us have very similar basic needs and standards of well-being, so morality can and should be based on science and reason. Ayn Rand was against self-sacrifice, particularly legalised state-enforced self-sacrifice. Societal altruism was embodied in many socio-economic methodologies: socialism, communism, fascism, nazism. In fact, every dictatorship is based on altruism? and sacrifice for the good of "the people" which actually means sacrifice for the dictator.

(continue) I would ...
By: void19361. on 06 May 12, 14:04:12
(continue) I would like to point out that subjectivity of our perception does not justify solipsism nor does it invalidate science. Reality as we perceive it? has patterns and laws that are not susceptible to our imagination and desires, so in a sense it is objective. It must be said, however, that our reason is not all-powerful. A remarkable example of that is Godel's incompleteness theorem.

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